'Developing and Refining the Conceptual Framework'

 

#phdchat tweet log - Wednesday 26th October 2011

 

@NSRiazat - 7.30pm BST - welcome to #phdchat - the topic tonight is 'developing and refining the conceptual framework #phd #phdchat

@lizith - @NSRiazat looking forward to this evenings discussion #phdchat

@LBA_OX12 - lurking tonite #phdchat

@NSRiazat - Just to start us off - how would you define a conceptual framework. How do you know 'you've arrived' so to speak? #phdchat #phd

@NSRiazat - Listening to Dr Lore Arthur, who explained it so wonderfully, I THOUGHT I could define a conceptual framework #phdchat #phd

@srossmktg - I totally need tonight's #phdchat. My thesis almost died on conceptual.

@NSRiazat - Only really grasped the concept once it had developed (or it just emerged should I say) from my initial data. #phdchat #phd #concepts

@Lemness - @srossmktg can you give us more so that we might all be able to help you? #phdchat

@Lemness - @nsriazat can you give us a link to any of it? #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @srossmktg - did conceptual framework confuse matters? #phdchat

@lizith - @NSRiazat one of my concerns for some time was whether I had any kind of theoretical of conceptual framework #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Lemness moderating from Blackberry once more. :) #phdchat #phd

@LBA_OX12 - @lizith Same here #phdchat

@srossmktg - @NSRiazat @Lemness Yeah, had worked on a concep'l paper over 2yrs, presented at a conf, good fdbk, but advisor said I couldnt test. #phdchat

@lizith - @NSRiazat It has now dawned on me that I have, but it wasn't what I expected as not a framework I can label #phdchat

@Lemness - @NSRiazat i find that thats what i look at first - on your tweets and once again - #amazing #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @andycoverdale @Nicky_Garland @GdnHigherEd - thanks for RTs earlier (and everyone else I missed!) #phdchat #phd

@srossmktg - @NSRiazat @Lemness Through serendipity, advisor hit on a paper outside field, seems like it could make my concept/theory signifcnt. #phdchat

@lizith - @nsriazat but inherent in approach I am taking - systems - which is inherently multi-disciplinary & permits different perspective #phdchat

@Nicky_Garland - my supervisors wrestled me into defining my framework, didnt want to at the time but realise now how important it is #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Lemness Dr Arthur did a 'discussion presentation'. Will need to locate it. Also in OU book for the educational doctorate. #phdchat

@Lemness - @srossmktg where there any similar studies? Anything in the lit rev that could shed some light? #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Lemness will post link to book tomorrow - not got it to hand right now. #phdchat

@srossmktg - @Lemness This other work was in different field. I'm now going to synthesise and work on a metatheory. Then will be testable. #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @lizith - I had an idea of what mine may be but data threw me into a different direction. Some digression before it was clear. #phdchat

@srossmktg - @Lemness We operate in multi-essay format for journal pubs. So 1st will be theory building, 1-2 essays experimental testing. #phdchat

@lizith - @NSRiazat I think one of things I have learned is however much you think you know what you are doing at start of #phd, it changes #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @lizith #phdchat - mine is 'organisational culture' although thought it might have been 'distributed leadership'.

@srossmktg - MT @lizith: I think one of things I have learned is however much you think you know what you are doing at start of #phd, it changes #phdchat

@Lemness - thinking through the design of my study helped me to develop a conceptual framework - figuring out how i wanted to study shed light #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @lizith I had to remember that qualitative research is possibly predominantly heuristic in nature and outcomes can't be predicted. #phdchat

@Lemness - @srossmktg that's a great way of doing it-I wish my program would have pushed me to do that. It would have helped. have you tested? #phdchat

@Nicky_Garland - @NSRiazat @lizith Thats important though, 2 understand that ur framework has 2 b flexible otherwise it wont work in the real world #phdchat

@lizith - @NSRiazat I don't think I can find a neat label and I actually don't think that matters #phdchat

@Janshs - @NSRiazat @lizith I remain v interested in org relations - I think that they must impact on every aspect - is that stating the obv? #phdchat

@srossmktg - @Lemness Multiessay? Nature of my field. Psyched about building new theory. Big thinking. Not tested yet, will pretest for proposal #phdchat

@qui_oui - @NSRiazat were you asking how we would define what a "theoretical framework" is (in general)? #PhDchat

@Janshs - @lizith @NSRiazat absolutely! and the process continues .... #phdchat

@Janshs - @NSRiazat @lizith what's the topic this eve? #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Nicky_Garland @lizith - Very true - mine is a professional doctorate so best if it can be applied to practice/policy. #phdchat

@lizith - @Janshs @nsriazat no - I think it's write, but also need to ask what is systemic & what superimposed or comes from elsewhere IMO #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Janshs @lizith - hi Jan 'conceptual frameworks' #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Janshs @lizith - found a great theory about organisational community building. Fits (and attempts to explain) my data really well. #phdchat

@lizith - @NSRiazat @janshs agh - I must be tired - I meant *right not write!!!! #phdchat

@LBA_OX12 - So what does a 'conceptual framework' look like, include or or cover? Is it a model of yr research concepts linking them 2gether? #phdchat

@Lemness - @srossmktg that's amazing that you're doing groundbreaking work - It helps everyone else after you. Would be interested in reading #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Janshs - great thing is the said journal and theory (Sergiovanni, 2003) was sat in study for past year and I had overlooked it. #phdchat

@Janshs - @lizith @nsriazat oh I like that Liz - systemic vs alternative soiurce (org relationships) #phdchat

@lizith - @NSRiazat @janshs is there a difference between a conceptual framework which explains findings and CF that underpins methodology? #phdchat

@srossmktg - @Lemness Well the prob is, every phd thinks s/he's doing groundbreaking work. ;) But, I do sense it too abstract to be incremental. #phdchat

@Janshs - @lizith @NSRiazat phew not just me that does those typos then #phdchat

@andycoverdale - If it's any help, I found this paper useful. Overlooking the conceptual framework. http://t.co/n1gPp48A #phdchat

@ai1sa - @NSRiazat i might need to look that reference up too :) #phdchat

@srossmktg - Conceptual framework: you need a model. If you don't have one, might as well go home. #phdchat

@Janshs - . @lizith @NSRiazat if the CF underpins methodology (&thus methods) I guess it will follow that it will 'frame' conclusions? #phdchat

@LBA_OX12 - How do conceptual model & conceptual framework differ? Or R they the same thing? #phdchat

@Janshs - @NSRiazat I would like ref please? #phdchat

@Lemness - @srossmktg but no one can really tell you that you're wrong - if no one else has done the work. #phdchat

@lizith - @Janshs @nsriazat but will one necessarily recognise it at the beginning? #phdchat

@Janshs - I really like Anfar & Mrtz Theoretical Frameworks in Qual Research #phdchat

@srossmktg - @LBA_OX12 There is a difference, I can't quite remember it, but it was in my philosophy of science seminar. Wish I rem'br'd cite. #phdchat

@amcunningham - @andycoverdale: If it's any help, I found this paper useful. Overlooking the conceptual framework. http://t.co/yidSbm4Q #phdchat great!

@ai1sa - @srossmktg except in the rare situation of actor-network theory that eschews models and frameworks #phdchat

@Janshs - . @lizith @nsriazat I think you almost certainly won't know ur CF straight away (IMHO) #phdchat who agrees/disagrees?

@lizith - @Lemness @srossmktg but you still have to show it's of value & adds to knowledge - fact not prev done doesn't necessarily do that #phdchat

@Janshs - Burgess et al Achieving your doctorate in ed - excellent ch5 on framework @NSRiazat @ai1sa #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Janshs - the light blue one something like 'Completing your Doctorate in Education'. Think Dr Lore Arthur is one of the authors? #phdchat

@lizith - @Janshs @nsriazat I agree - at least from my experience so far #phdchat

@Janshs - @ai1sa @srossmktg would like to har more about that #phdchat

@srossmktg - @lizith @Lemness V. true. This is not entirely new -- still based on prior work. Its the synthesis of theory not prev. in my field. #phdchat

@LBA_OX12 - Do U develop a CF/CM at the start pre lit review, &/or after lit review & pre-research? #phdchat

@srossmktg - Damn, have to go :/ #phdchat

@Janshs - @NSRiazat Burgess Sieminski and Lore #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Janshs Ref for 'community' theory is 'Building Communities in School' Sergiovanni, T (2003) roughly off top of head. Chapter 1 #phdchat

@Janshs - @lizith @nsriazat peraps finding the CF is part of the #fun ? #phdchat

@qui_oui - @Janshs @lizith @nsriazat I think that's the answer ;-) ("part of the fun") #phdchat

@NSRiazat - "@Janshs: @NSRiazat Burgess Sieminski and Lore - that's the one. :) #phdchat"

@lizith - @LBA_OX12 I don't know about others, but I'm developing mine while writing up #phdchat

@Janshs - @NSRiazat thx #phdchat

@lizith - @qui_oui @janshs @nsriazat I'll buy into the fun concept :) #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Janshs @lizith - agree - took me a while to decide which was main underlying concept and sub-concepts that are underpinned by it #phdchat

@Lemness - @lba_ox12 it started during lit rev for me - but thinking through the design of the study helped me shape mine. #phdchat

@lizith - @LBA_OX12 I think one of probs is expectation of having CF/CM sussed early & in real life it may not be so simple #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @qui_oui @LBA_OX12 - see CF as single thread/concept that pulls all concepts together. Allows others to put research into context. #phdchat

@Janshs - sorry distracted momentarily from #phdchat by my big bro on phone & Michel Roux on TV

@LBA_OX12 - I've a sort of vague CF just to give some focus/set some boundaries for starting lit review #phdchat

@Janshs - @NSRiazat @lizith TBH I didn't get this till well into the process #phdchat

@OrgMotivation - How science / research REALLY happens: http://t.co/yr1rUskQ #phdchat #research

@qui_oui - I think what I'm doing is combining a few things. Political-economic ideas, higher education research, management... #PhDchat

@NSRiazat - "@Janshs: @lizith @NSRiazat phew not just me that does those typos then - me too! :) #phdchat"

@Janshs - @ai1sa wll look up thx #phdchat

@Janshs - @ai1sa basically postmodern stuff? #phdchat

@srossmktg - Anyone know any good tweetchat like app for Android? #phdchat

@qui_oui - ...plus some cultural and sociological theory. And the T/F will be emerging out of all that. #PhDchat

@andycoverdale - @ai1sa @srossmktg So ANT is not a conceptual framework itself? #phdchat

@Janshs - @amcunningham @nsriazat @ai1sa hope you enjoy it #phdchat

@Janshs - @lizith @qui_oui @nsriazat that's why we keep going isn't it? the fun :) #phdchat

@qui_oui - Yep RT @NSRiazat: see CF as single thread/concept that pulls all concepts together. Allows others to put research into context. #phdchat

@JeffreyKeefer - Catching up on #phdchat by reading in the background. Seems a deep series of threads today.

@lizith - @qui_oui I'm using variety of approaches too - makes it more difficult to name framework but still there in the variety of views #phdchat

@srossmktg - Q: Inducing or Deducing CF? Might make difference in approaching lit review. #phdchat

@bonstewart - @andycoverdale @ai1sa @srossmktg my ears perked up at that. ANT informs map of territory covered: can it BE a map? #phdchat

@Janshs - IMO CF's do not always have 'names' @LBA_OX12 #phdchat they might be 'grand' theories or might be personal or interpretive

@qui_oui - @lizith I think it's buried somewhere between the questions that fuel the work, & the tools you use to answer them-? #PhDchat

@srossmktg - @andycoverdale What's ANT #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Janshs - Anfara and Mrtz was on my recommended reading list when I got original proposal back. #phdchat

@mark_carrigan - @bonstewart @andycoverdale @ai1sa @srossmktg surely the whole point is that it's supposed NOT to be a map?#phdchat

@qui_oui - @lizith I think for me it'll become clearer in the next while (research/writing). #PhDchat

@lizith - @qui_oui I think that's where I've got too in realising my framework is in looking at system from different perspectives #phdchat

@srossmktg - Twitter for Android is sucking for this chat. #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Janshs - hard to read and understand then as didn't know exactly what conceptual framework looked like. Now A&F makes sense #phdchat

@Janshs - good Q RT @ srossmktg Q: Inducing or Deducing CF? Might make difference in approaching lit review. #phdchat

@Janshs - @NSRiazat yes good point - maybe you have to be at a certain point #phdchat

@bonstewart - @mark_carrigan @andycoverdale @ai1sa @srossmktg indeed. ANT shapes the whole concept/approach to concept of map. #phdchat

@Janshs - @JeffreyKeefer hi - it seems conceptual/theoretical frameworks gets a good #phdchat going :)

@srossmktg - @bonstewart Still not sure what ANT is @mark_carrigan @andycoverdale @ai1sa #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Janshs - Kind of knew what Lore was trying to get across but not fully. @lizith - I tried to pre-determine mine - didn't work. :) #phdchat

@ai1sa - @bonstewart: @mark_carrigan @andycoverdale love fast paced chat, speed need 2 articulate which i dont have, off searchin maps! #phdchat

@Janshs - @NSRiazat @lizith sometimes I think you have to write a thesis to know how to write a thesis .... #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @srossmktg @bonstewart @mark_carrigan @andycoverdale @ai1sa - ANT = 'actor-network theory' #phdchat

@srossmktg - Not only Twitter for Android suck for chat, reply all isn't working.#phdchat

@lizith - @NSRiazat @janshs I think 'the books' give impression you can predetermine, so we either try to, or feel bad because we can't #phdchat

@Lemness - @jeffreykeefer where are you in the writing process? #phdchat

@bonstewart - @NSRiazat @srossmktg @mark_carrigan @andycoverdale @ai1sa and the complication is, it eschews models/frameworks but IS an approach. #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Janshs @JeffreyKeefer - I think conceptual/theoretical frameworks as a topic has also created lots of 'lurkers' tonight. :) #phdchat

@Janshs - @lizith @NSRiazat mmmcf 1st 3 paras here http://t.co/g8tQV5Ef #phdchat

@srossmktg - @NSRiazat @bonstewart @mark_carrigan @andycoverdale @ai1sa ANT might loosely be used in B2B mktg, but I've never seen in CB. #phdchat

@bonstewart - @NSRiazat @srossmktg @mark_carrigan @andycoverdale @ai1sa treating ANT as a model is anti-ANT (ahem) but fit with CF is messy. #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @lizith @janshs - agree - 'books' also present thesis writing as a linear process...anything but! A very tough journey at times. #phdchat

@qui_oui - @NSRiazat I am "lurking" because I think I'm looking more for what others have to say about it! #PhDchat

@OTEllenN - Me too! RT @lizith: @LBA_OX12 I don't know about others, but I'm developing mine while writing up #phdchat

@lizith - @Janshs @nsriazat :) I saw that a few days ago and found it reassuring http://t.co/WKarEsB2 #phdchat

@jonnymccormick - Who amongst us is doing a PhD in Political Science? #phdchat

@qui_oui - @OTEllenN @lizith @LBA_OX12 Yes--mine is definitely a work in progress. At some point I will step back, see the "big picture" #PhDchat

@Janshs - @lizith @nsriazat tis only my experience #phdchat

@ClaretCarly - @NSRiazat @janshs @jeffreykeefer Alright, I admit it, I'm lurking! :-) CF not something we really have to deal with in my field #phdchat

@lizith - @NSRiazat @janshs yup - it's much more iterative and reverse engineering - but that's the fun #phdchat

@Janshs - @ClaretCarly LOL I often just read the thread #phdchat always something here for us huh? :) @NSRiazat @jeffreykeefer

@bonstewart - @mark_carrigan @NSRiazat @srossmktg @andycoverdale @ai1sa that's where i choke. ANT as/in lieu of CF risks conflation of ANT = map. #phdchat

@SueFolley - I am lurking tonight at #phdchat, partly as it is half term so keep getting disturbed, but partly as hoping to learn from others :)

@kevchem1 - Is anyone else looking at previous theses for structure layout ideas etc? #phdchat

@SueFolley - @kevchem1 I have done that - it really helps and makes doing a phd more doable :)) #phdchat

@SueFolley - And I have to go now and pick my son up from football - thanks to those who have contributed to #phdchat tonight from us lurkers :)))

@Janshs - @SueFolley hehe it is stil M Roux on BBC2 that's distracting me from #phdchat <sigh>

@aeratcliffe - I've been here but nothing really to say tonight! Hello to all. #phdchat

@lizith - @SueFolley @kevchem1 I agree - very useful, but I think I would have been thrown by them early on #phdchat

@Janshs - @aeratcliffe hi Tony nice to 'see' you #phdchat

@ai1sa - Great chatting on #phdchat and the by-chat on ant...i need to get faster, more familiar with map/cf/models arguments :) #phdchat

@NSRiazat - 8.30pm BST brings us to the end of #phdchat - another great session - many thanks to everyone once again for participating. #phdchat #phd

@ClaretCarly - @aeratcliffe @Janshs @NSRiazat @SueFolley Hehe all the lurkers are showing themselves now! #phdchat

@kevchem1 - @NSRiazat it seems to be quite common for science based courses. I'm doing it myself abd getting some great ideas. #phdchat

@lizith - @NSRiazat thanks for hosting - it's been a good discussion #phdchat

@lizith - @NSRiazat how to procrastinate, or how not to? #phdchat

@LBA_OX12 - @NSRiazat On how to procrastinate? We should have a competition!? #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @kevchem1 - was interesting to see variations in structure. Mine is educational leadership: grounded theory methodology. #phdchat

@kevchem1 - I agree "@lizith: @NSRiazat thanks for hosting - it's been a good discussion #phdchat"

@Nicky_Garland - Good #phdchat, sorry for the tail off, was doing three things at once, i was lurking with the rest, look 4ward to next wk

@lizith - #phdchat I need to get on and do some work now - see you around the place!

@NSRiazat - @lizith 'how to' ;) #phdchat

@kevchem1 - Good luck with the writing up everyone. #phdchat

@AmandaMichelle - You know what sucks? Attending a refworks intro & finding that someone has written what you were considering for your dissertation #phdchat

@lizith - @NSRiazat LOL! #phdchat

@allonsdanser - Sorry to have missed #phdchat . The undergrad rsch methods class in our computer lab needed me! I'll read the archives.

@aeratcliffe - For anyone wanting to procrastinate a little longer, come and join a Google Hangout for a few minutes! Link shortly. #phdchat

@Janshs - @NSRiazat planted those spring bulbs yet??? #phdchat #procrastination

@AmandaMichelle - But listen, refworks is a thing of beauty. #phdchat

@aeratcliffe - Hangout at http://t.co/5kNLuMoU #phdchat

@lizith - @NSRiazat surely you need something to eat or drink before you can do any work #phdchat

@lizith - @Janshs @nsriazat pruned whatever needs pruning? #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @lizith - making good progress on data analysis now so hopefully have an amended draft chapter to send @Janshs by weekend #phdchat

@lizgloyn - @NSRiazat Have you considered taking up the nose flute? #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @Janshs - done that too. Not a leaf on the ground. Might change conceptual framework to #procrastination :) #phdchat #phd

@ekvraga - Daniel Kahnemans Thinking, Fast and Slow reviewed via @slate http://t.co/OyYj7hPg <--Snarky review is pretty fun! #phdchat

@aeratcliffe - @Janshs Thanks, good seeing you too! Join the Hangout if you are able. #phdchat

@aeratcliffe - @Janshs Yes, a Google Hangout: http://t.co/5kNLuMoU #phd #phdchat

@Zimbarama - Might be relevant #phdchat @Minervity: Wasted Time In The Workplace: Youll Be Surprised [Infographic] - http://t.co/EsB87L8p

@aeratcliffe - @Zimbarama Link doesn't work. Could be relevant to my research. #phdchat

@NSRiazat - @lizith - well done - that's quite an achievement. Wish I could make more progress but thorough data analysis is a slow process #phdchat

@aeratcliffe - Okay, Hangout ending for now. Another time! Back to work. #phdchat

@thesiswhisperer - New Post: @zenali offers a cautionary tale of near total data catastrophe... Back it up! http://t.co/a1hZCpDf #phdchat

@ArberBorix - "@rdfrs: Royal Society journal archive made permanently free to access online - http://t.co/TQdJLNSC - on http://t.co/wBWCLhqX" #phdchat

@JimmySW - Woot woot! The dissertation is a go. A few minor tweaks & I'll start data collection in January. #PhDchat

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@chrisdowsett - Huzzah! Congrats RT @jimmysw: Woot woot! The dissertation is a go. A few minor tweaks & I'll start data collection in January. #PhDchat

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@jonnymccormick - Any good advice out there for publishing first article? #phdchat

@debbiefuco - TweetDeck RT @srossmktg: Anyone know any good tweetchat like app for Android? #phdchat

@debbiefuco - Yep. It helps a little. RT @kevchem1: Is anyone else looking at previous theses for structure layout ideas etc? #phdchat

@JeffreyKeefer - Blogged: Making Sense of Complexity - Engaging Others in #change11 http://t.co/UYM9O8Es #change11 #phdchat #nlc2012

@mmebrady - @debbiefuco #phdchat I like Twidroyd

@ruth_mather - Week 3, Day 3:in which Ruth remembers why, despite freshers flu, skintness &working all evening, she wouldn't ever do anything else #phdchat